editorial
Get out of the gayborhood
Published Thursday, 20-Nov-2008 in issue 1091
In 1967, Milwaukee was one of the most segregated cities in the nation. According to the Wisconsin Historical Society, blacks accounted for more than 15 percent of the population, but efforts to desegregate housing and schools led nowhere.
The anger and frustration over segregation laws led to riots in the city’s black neighborhoods, and in August 1967, the NAACP Youth Council marched through Kosciuskzo Park, a predominantly white neighborhood, to protest the Common Council’s refusal to pass an open-housing ordinance, which was first introduced in 1962.
The demonstration in the white neighborhood of Milwaukee was a turning point in the state’s history, empowering blacks to march daily through the winter of 1967-68. Finally in the spring of ’68, the federal open housing law passed, preventing discrimination in 80 percent of the nation; and in April, Milwaukee’s Common Council approved a desegregation law stronger than the nation’s.
Regardless of the progress, the city still faced legal loopholes in segregation laws – but the black community in Milwaukee made itself heard to white residents. Similarly, the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) advocated for nonviolent direct action protests in white neighborhoods. In the 1960s, the chair of CORE, Robert Lucas, was critical of the civil rights movement, and led a march through Cicero, Ill., where whites were hostile to blacks, throwing bottles and bricks and shouting obscenities. Despite the march’s ultimately violent turn, CORE’s mission was accomplished: blacks became visible in white neighborhoods, and the seeds for change were planted.
Since Proposition 8 passed a little more than two weeks ago, supporters of same-sex marriage have marched and rallied in, of all places, San Francisco’s Castro district, West Hollywood, and, locally, in Hillcrest and in District 3.
The trouble is: those locales are predominantly gay or gay-friendly. Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein said it best, days after the election: “Since they lost the right to marry in California, gays appear to have no game plan, marching around West Hollywood and Silver Lake with their old ‘No on 8’ signs, which makes about as much sense as holding a John McCain rally next month at John McCain’s house.”
Similar to the marches in the Civil Rights Movement, which eventually filtered into the white neighborhoods, we must take our movement into more conservative, less gay-friendly areas.
We made the point in last week’s editorial; our marches need to become outreach tools and opportunities to educate voters outside our communities.
Saturday’s march, which infiltrated the streets of Downtown San Diego and drew more than 20,000 participants, was a start – though, ideologically, Downtown’s residents are far more likely to support same-sex marriage than residents in East County or North County.
Jennifer Schumaker, a lesbian mother of four in North County, took the fight for same-sex marriage to Escondido’s streets before the Nov. 4 election. She stood at a busy intersection in Escondido every day after work for weeks holding a sign that read, “Hi! I’m your neighbor! Protect my right to marriage: Please vote no on Prop. 8.”
Schumaker’s brand of activism – though it drew support from a number of her friends and family members and others in the conservative outlying areas – wasn’t popular with the businesses at Escondido Boulevard and Valley Parkway. One in particular posted a “Yes on 8” sign to counter Schumaker’s message. Regardless, Schumaker made her message about same-sex marriage clear to an audience who might otherwise not have known an opposing view.
It’s inevitable. The media is going to lose interest in our marches and rallies; Saturday’s march, with the largest number of participants in marches nationwide, may be the crescendo to the story on Proposition 8’s aftermath. It’s likely, now, fewer people will march, and fewer media outlets will take notice.
That is, unless our community begins to think outside the box; unless, like demonstrators during the Civil Rights Movement, we take our marches into uncharted territory, and we’re persistent, marching until progress is made.
Marching through the streets of Hillcrest, people gave us thumbs up and honked horns to show their support. Sure, it made us feel good. But did marching in our neighborhoods change minds, or prompt anyone to pause and reconsider his or her vote? Perhaps a few, but it’s not likely.
A march organized to educate people in more conservative areas would be more effective; demonstrators could carry flyers with quotes from the late Coretta Scott King and from Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, all who opposed Proposition 8. Wouldn’t that be an opportunity to change more hearts and open more closed minds?
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Non-religious zealot says:

Bravo! It is confounding that our community mobilized so well for protesting, but didn't take their message to:
ROCK CHURCH in Point Loma, which donated just over $25,000 to Yes on 8, in addition to feeding its congregants a steady diet of anti-gay propaganda for the past several months.
THE MORMON TEMPLE in San Diego (need I explain their position?)
DOUG MANCHESTER HYATT downtown (donated significantly to Yes on 8.)
LGBT communities nationwide must step out of their "gay zones" if we're ever going to make a civil rights impact. Lets stop relying solely on the media to show our faces, our numbers and our voices! We've been rallying on the wrong doorsteps in the safest way possible.

Nov 20, 2008 12:23 PM
Tony Cochran says:

Yes! It is critical for those of us in the Queer community to "think outside the box." Indeed there is an opportunity here to form coalitions and move forward in a way that makes Queer LGBT issues more visible and powerful.

Please attend the coalition No on 8, No on Hate Queer/LGBT Labor Union Rally this Saturday -

Saturday Rally @ Manchester Hyatt

NOVEMBER 22th -5:00 p.m.

Doug Manchester is one of the leading funders ($125,000) of Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative that discriminates against LGBT couples. While Hyatt may officially disavow Manchester's contributions to Proposition 8 as a personal choice, the fact remains that their multi-million dollar LGBT marketing efforts must be seen as little more than sheer hypocrisy when the revenue this marketing attracts is then funneled into efforts that bite the hand which feeds them. In such a situation, we always have the ability to choose not to feed them any longer.

WHERE: 1 Market Place, San Diego, CA 92101

Nov 20, 2008 1:16 PM
ASR says:

Exactly! Finally somebody said it. No more Pride Parades. We need real live marches into the cities where we are unwelcome. We can party and drink in 10 years when the work is done.

Nov 20, 2008 4:12 PM
Looking for a better approach says:

Excellent point! Thank you for having the guts to put a critical eye to the issue and offer ways to improve it. You would not believe how easily our brothers and sisters will turn on you if you voice a different opinion or think there are things we are doing wrong. From the beginning I have had problems with the way our community and the media has been focusing on this as being a "gay" issue. We all know that the minute you mention the word "gay" or "homosexual", there is an immediate and insurmountable wall of hatred and fear thrown up by many of our unenlightened fellow humans. Perhaps we should be focusing on trying to avoid eliciting that response in the people we are hoping will see the error of their ways and next time change their vote to promote equality among ALL people, not just gays and lesbians, even if that really is the group currently being denied a right that others have. Maybe we should focus on it not being about denying or allowing "gay" marriage, but instead focus on changing the law to allow marriage between "two consenting adults". Period. No gay, straight, black, white, mormon, catholic. Just two consenting adults. I know there are a lot of people that think this is what we were trying to do, but I'm here to tell you folks, that's not what it looked like. Every person interviewed, article written and media story was focused on it being about gay marriage. Flashed across the screen. Written in black and white. Stated numerous times by both the hosts of the talk shows AND the supposed celebrity guests against prop 8. It WAS about "gay marriage", and that focus alone was probably enough to alienate a lot of people that were undecided. As you said, we need to look more closely at not just what the issue is, but how to approach it so that we are victorious.
On a side note, I am severely disappointed that so many of our brethren do not see how important it is for march organizers to discourage any sort of signs criticizing the mormon church, or any other organization. Aren’t we supposed to be promoting the ideals of this nation such as equality, free speech, freedom of choice, freedom of religion? We should be doing everything in our power to educate and enlighten those who have not quite reached the level of social evolution we hope for, but we should not criticize, bash or try to intimidate others for having a different point of view or belief. Isn’t this what we fight against every day? I just want to say “grow up!” In this world of hate and oppression we live in, everyone should be allowed to have their opinion and voice, whether we think it is right or not. Don’t get me wrong. I think taking our money and business to those that are with us in this fight, avoiding those that are not, and taking our protests to areas of higher impact is a great idea and hopefully a way to convince some that we are a large part of their success, especially during our current hard times. Most of the belief systems of those religious organizations opposing homosexuals are on shaky and tenuous ground to begin with, and the insecure zealots spouting the chapters and verses know it. Openly criticizing them or their beliefs, the very thing we complain they do to us, is no way to win them over or even begin to find some common ground on which to build an understanding of each other.

Nov 20, 2008 5:28 PM
Dave Z says:

Funny, as I grew up in the white milwaukee suburbs I remember there being a great deal of panic because these protesters were throwing malatov (sp?) cocktais, turning over cars, and looting. My grandparents and their neighbors on the south side were afraid for their lives. My dad drove in to get his parents and nearly was pulled out of his car...until they saw the handgun.
Later, in High School...they decided that an all black high school was alright. No all white school, just the one for blacks. Seemed very odd to the whites.
Lastly...you have heard of "white flight"? That is what they accomplished...the whites moved to the 'burbs.
The "blacks" ended up taking over the north side which still looks like a bomb has gone off 40 years later. Liquor stores, check cashing stores, burned out businesses and empty 20 room mansions.
Ah milwaukee...if it wasnt for the frozen custard and fried cheese curds...it would be New Detroit.

Nov 20, 2008 5:44 PM

PROP 8, SAME SEX MARRIAGE, EQUAL RIGHTS –
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?

Dearest Beloved Ones, November 19, 2008

In the past couple of weeks, since California Prop 8 passed removing the Civil Rights of Same Sex Marriage; as a Queer Activist, I’ve been asked: What can we do now? Where do we go from here? How can I do something that might help? Some of us are feeling sad, angry, disenfranchised, second-class Americans, helpless and hopeless…

In these same few weeks I’ve received a number of e-mails, petitions, web contact groups, action suggestions and event information. I have compiled some of this information for those who need to take action and get more involved. This list is INCLUSIVE with many paths and directions to choose from. In San Diego, we created in SEVEN DAYS, a 20,000 Person March and Rally for Marriage Equality, led by 23-year-old Sara Beth Brooks. Miracles happen and we can create them!

MARRIAGE EQUALITY WEB SITES/E-GROUPS:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sd-marriage-rally -
San Diego March & Rally Yahoo E- group, that happened on Saturday November 15th, 2008.
www.sdequalitynow.com - SAN DIEGO EQUALITY NOW.
www.jointheimpact.com - JOIN THE IMPACT. They are endorsing an event called "Day Without A Gay", which you can read more about on their website. Join the Impact is asking you to share your stories, pictures, and videos from yesterday.
http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/page/California+Personal+Stories
www.eqca.org - EQUALITY CALIFORNIA is dedicated to achieving equality for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) Californians.
http://www.equalityactionnow.org/ - EQUALITY ACTION NOW – is a Northern California grassroots civil rights organization. We provide a virtual meeting place for like-minded activists to organize, collect and share region-specific updates, and plan positive, peaceful events that further the cause of civil rights for all people.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GayMarriageMarch/ -
This is an LGBTQI and Allies group that recently formed preparing for the March on Washington DC in 2009. This is a place to share information, actions, events and ideas
concerning a national march on Washington, DC in 2009. We are open to the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities (and their friends) and invite you to share your events, news and comments.
http://whiteknot.org/ - This is an attempt to get the white knot (WHY NOT - SAME SEX MARRIAGE?) (See web site and photo) to symbolize marriage equality, like the red ribbon symbolizes AIDS awareness, the pink ribbon symbolizes breast cancer awareness etc. The argument is that it's not always appropriate to wander about carrying a sign and chanting. :)
http://www.revoke8.com/ - Same sex couple is walking from Pasadena to SF to protest California Prop 8. They could use some encouragement along the way. Hopefully they will get some positive publicity.
http://www.thetaskforce.org/ - NATIONAL GAY AND LESBIAN TASK FORCE.

ORGANIZATIONS:

SDDC – SAN DIEGO DEMOCRATIC CLUB - /www.sddemoclub.org
SDDC has a fantastic listing of LGBT Political organizations, community groups and links to Federal, State and local Government officials.
THE LGBT CENTER - located at: 3909 Centre Street San Diego, CA 92103
Mailing address: P.O. Box 3357 San Diego, CA 92163
Phone: (619) 692-2077 Fax:(619) 260-3092 Web: http://www.thecentersd.org
GAY AND LESBIAN VICTORY FUND: http://www.victoryfund.org/home
Working to elect open gay men and lesbians to public office.
LGBT STUDENT UNION OF SDSU: www.PrideAtState.org
PFLAG – PARENTS AND FRIENDS OF LESBIANS AND GAYS/SAN DIEGO - http://www.pflag.com/
ACLU – AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION - http://www.aclusandiego.org/
PEOPLE FOR THE AMERICAN WAY - http://site.pfaw.org/
A broadly based and not necessarily gay national organization, which monitors the activities of the radical religious right. Prepares wonderfully informative reports on what the "fundies" are up to.
GLAAD – GAY AND LESBIAN ALLIANCE AGAINST DEFAMATION: http://www.glaad.org/
A national organization that promotes fair, accurate and inclusive representation as a means of challenging discrimination based on sexual orientation or identity.

CIVIL RIGHTS EVENTS:

FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2008 – Dr. Phil Show topic is on Proposition 8: The Debate on Same Sex Marriage. (Please tape the show, if you can so we can use it and evaluate it, I don’t have the technology… Thanks! WSUEB@AOL.COM )
Please call, e-mail write the Dr. Phil show thanking him for addressing the issue and also express your opinion of the show. Adrian - Dr Phil Show Audience Coordinator
(323) 956-4619 Adrian.Alvarez@cbsparamount.com

SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 22, 2008 @ 2:00PM -
ONE MILLION MARCH ON SACRAMENTO.
The Sacramento event is a rally not a march. They want to have at least 30,000 people in attendance. San Diego contact: Lisa Kove - SDDC Volunteer Coordinator: eyescu_92116@yahoo.com http://www.californiaoutreach.com/
CANDLELIGHT MARCH FOR EQUALITY IN OCEANSIDE.
This is a candlelight vigil for marriage equality happening @ 5:30PM. This event will be held in Oceanside, in North County. For more information: http://www.northcountylgbtcoalitionforce.org/flyer.jpg
PROP 8 PROTEST/BOYCOTT RALLY – 5:00-7:00pm
Manchester Grand Hyatt - 1 Market Place, San Diego. Doug Manchester is one of the leading funders ($125,000) of Proposition 8, a California ballot initiative that discriminates against LGBT couples. Contact: pdegange@unitehere.org - http://www. facebook. com/event. php?eid=39839621750 http://sleepwiththerightpeople. org

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2ND, 2008 – MEETING AT THE LGBT CENTER in San Diego.
Come and discuss the viability of a LGBT rights coalition in San Diego, HRC, the NO on 8 Campaign, the Center's Advocacy Group, the North County LGBT Coalition, and S. D. Equality Now are all invited. Please pass this message on to any other groups or individuals that you think would be interested in networking.

WEDENSDAY, DECEMBER 10TH, 2008 – A DAY WITHOUT A GAY PROTEST.
On December 10, 2008 the gay community will take a historic stance against hatred by donating love to a variety of different causes.

On December 10, you are encouraged not to call in sick to work. You are encouraged to call in "gay"--and donate your time to service!
WWW.info@daywithoutagay.org

SATURDAY, JANUARY 10TH, 2009 - PROTEST AGAINST DOMA: DEFENSE OF MARRIAGE ACT.
Join the Impact has asked us all to prepare to protest against the Defense of Marriage Act, which is a federal law that a) says that states don't have to recognize same-sex unions from other states, and b) the federal government will not recognize those marriages, even if the state does. With DOMA in place, we cannot have marriage equality! Please clear your calendar for January 10, circle the date, and get your marching shoes on!

PETITIONS:

EQUALITY CALIFORNIA PETITION TO REPEAL PROP 8:
http://www.eqca.org/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.asp?c=kuLRJ9MRKrH&b=4742747&e n=isLLJVODJeLMJUMHIlLOL0MRIkKUJ8OHLgKXJeNUJwG

The Mormon Church spent $22 million to pass Prop 8. Sign the petition to strip them of their tax-free status: http://www.mormonsstoleourrights.com/#petition

www.couragecampaign.org - Please sign this petition to repeal California prop 8!
Have you seen Keith Olbermann's "Special Comment" about Prop 8?
Keith eloquently expresses why the passage of Prop 8 is so tragic, and he addresses supporters of the proposition directly. Here is a link to watch a YouTube video of Keith's comments. Please check it out and then join me and over 100,000 other people in signing a pledge from the Courage Campaign and CREDO Mobile to repeal Prop 8 and restore marriage equality to California: http://www.couragecampaign.org/prop8repeal

CONTACT JERRY BROWN: http://ag.ca.gov/contact/complaint_form.php?cmplt=PL
Attorney General Brown, I Request your support of the lawsuits against Prop 8 and recommend that the California Supreme Court hear and review the current filed lawsuits against Prop 8, please allow us the opportunity for equal protection under the law.

PROJECT POSTCARDS:
Give Thanks to Obama for his promises--send him a postcard before Thanksgiving!
For more info: http://jointheimpact.wetpaint.com/page/Project+Postcard?mail=1140

Petition to the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION: http://www.h4pj.org/issues/endspecialrights.php
Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples: Barack Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples.

www.nomilkforcinemark.com -
The CEO of Cinemark, Alan Stock, donated $9999 to the Yes on 8 Campaign, but will now profit from showing MILK in his theaters. This is the movie about the life of Harvey Milk.

PLEASE BOYCOTT ROBERT HOEHN, Carlsbad, CA Hoehn Motors–5475 Car Country Dr, Carlsbad, CA 92008 • Tel: 760.438.4454 • Web: www.hoehnmotors.com
$25,000 donated to the yes on prop. 8 campaign.
Robert Hoehn, President of Hoehn Motors in Carlsbad, CA gave: $25,000 on 2/8/08.
Hoehn Motors has 6 large car dealerships located along the 5 freeway in Northern San Diego County: Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Audi, Infiniti, Acura and Honda. Mr. Hoehn was one of the earlier backers of yes on Proposition 8, and has had a demonstration in front of his dealerships that was organized by the North County LGBT Coalition. www.northcountylgbtcoalitionforce.org

WHAT CAN I DO AS AN INDIVIDUAL?

* Write your government officials and ask them to take a stand against
California Prop 8 and publicly ‘come out’ in favor of Same Sex Civil Marriages.

DIANE FEINSTEIN (US SENATOR FROM CA):
http://feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=ContactUS.EmailMe
BARBARA BOXER (US SENATOR FROM CA):
http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/email/policy.cfm
ARNOLD S (CALIFORNIA GOVERNOR):
http://gov.ca.gov/interact#email
BARACK OBAMA (US SENATOR FROM ILLINOIS):
http://obama.senate.gov/contact/
BARACK OBAMA (US PRESIDENT-ELECT):
http://answercenter.barackobama.com/cgi-bin/barackobama.cfg/php/enduser/ask .php
CALIFORNIA STATE REPRESENTATIVES (SENATORS & ASSEMBLY):
http://192.234.213.69/amapsearch/framepage.asp
(Type in your full address to get your State Senator and your State Assembly Rep.)

* Contact the California Supreme Court Judges who will be hearing the case concerning the legality of Prop 8. Let them know we do not support Prop 8 and why; because it was brought to the ballot illegally, the Yes on 8 lied in their campaign to convince voters to vote yes, raised monies through their churches to support prop 8, bullied No on 8 financial contributors to donate an equal amount or they would launch boycotts ETC.
Backers of the California prop 8 measure banning gay marriage have said they will target justices who vote to overturn it. We need to let these judges know we support them and the decision to repeal California Prop 8.

* Contact your personal Religious groups and Faith Based Organizations, ask the leaders and congregations to be proactive and publicly express their support of Same Sex Marriages.

* Talk to friends and family about why you support Same Sex Civil Marriages and why prop. 8 is illegal and constitutionally discriminatory. Ask them to talk to their friends.

* Donate to the ACLU, which is fighting the legality of Prop. 8 in the California courts.

* Donate to the organizations of your choice that are fighting for LGBT Equal Rights. Some of these organizations are listed above.

November 19, 2008 - San Diego joins in to stop Prop. 8
San Diego has signed on for the legal challenge against Proposition 8, which passed this month, ending marriage rights for same-sex couples. There was no formal city vote to join the lawsuit that originated in the city of San Francisco, but there are letters from Mayor Jerry Sanders, Councilwoman Toni Atkins and City Attorney Michael Aguirre stating the city's position. The state Supreme Court decided Wednesday to hear a trio of challenges, including San Francisco's, which is a case supported by a growing number of cities and counties. Aguirre said the council wasn't required to take additional action since it had already approved sending a friend-of-court brief to the Supreme Court before it ruled in May that same-sex marriages must be allowed in California. The council opposed Proposition 8, as well. Proposition 8 was approved by a majority of the state's voters Nov. 4. It rewrote the state constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman. Atkins, who married her longtime partner Jennifer LeSar earlier this year, said Wednesday, "It's taking away rights, and this is unprecedented in California, that rights be removed from a group of
people where they had been given." Explaining the city's ability to join the case without formal council action, Aguirre said, "We could have a vote, but it appeared to us that it was basically the same issue. The council had taken a position on it, and it appeared to us that we had authority based on the prior vote." Aguirre said he sent San Diego's letter to the San Francisco City Attorney's Office Wednesday, knowing San Diego's request to be added
as a petitioner would be honored. He said he did not know the court had decided to hear arguments in the case when he signed the letter.

If you're of a mind to, a nice phone call or email to our current City Attorney, Mike Aguirre, might be in order. While you're at it, a similar outreach to Mayor Sanders as well. Both, as you saw earlier, made the request that the city sign on to the suit.
Mike Aguirre, City Attorney: email: cityattorney@sandiego.gov phone: 619 / 236.6220

PLEASE REPOST TO OTHER SITES. THANK YOU!




Nov 20, 2008 5:48 PM
andrew says:



There are a lot of straights who generally support gay rights, but not gay marriage.

It took us almost forty years to get from homosexuality as something unmentionable and calls by California legislators to castrate men who had gay sex to where we are today. Today, most straight people are indifferent or generally in favor of gay rights.

Going into hostile territory (where gay marriage is concerned) is not going to accomplish anything.

Do you think heterosexual blacks living in the ghetto are going to be sympathetic to the problems of gays, who they see as mostly white and wealthy?

I don't think so.

Until gay and lesbian blacks come out to the black straight community, the heterosexual blacks who voted for Prop. 8 are not going to see gay rights as anything that is relevant to them.

They won't consider the problem of discrimination against gays to be the moral eqivalent of discrimination against blacks.

And we're also not going to change the minds of religious heterosexual whites whose ministers tell them that marriage should only be between a man and a woman.

They do not see that as a rights issue, but as a traditions and morals issue, and nothing we say is going to change their minds unless -- as with black gays -- more gays in general (including white gays) come out of the closet and show these straights that we are their brothers, sister, sons, nieces, nephews, etc.

There have been some ugly incidents after the passage of prop. 8, including the bullying by gay men of a little old lady in Palm Springs that is now being shown on the internet.

Let's not put the cart before the horse.

DON'T march in Point Loma or City Heights.

DO start a dialog with the ministers of the various churches in those communities.

DO make it clear to those ministers that the gay community's support for the rights and equality of heterosexual blacks and Latinos is conditioned on their supporting us as well.

And please, no more harassment of Prop. 8 supporters and their families, friends, etc.

We are alienating people who -- except for gay marriage -- generally support gay rights.

We can't afford to do that.

Nov 23, 2008 8:31 PM
Bill says:

It is so refreshing to see people really 'get it' on this topic. We should all get out of the 'ghetto' and join the real world because it is in the real world where a difference can be made on this issue. I know this from personal experience working in an evangelical environment.
My friends, who ordinarily would not have known any gay people, have been very supportive of me and my partner. Their views on the marriage are varied but with one common denominator, and that is of fairness. Had they not known anyone personally affected by all of this perhaps they would have never thought twice about it before voting on Prop 8.
I like to think that we are making a difference, where it counts. I would not mind seeing the parades disappear, and would consider some positive community involvement in the 'right to marry' campaign if I knew that my actions would not be cancelled out by someone in a thong screaming "we're here, we're queer, get used to it!" while carrying a sign that reads 'butt-love couple'. It's time to evolve!

Nov 24, 2008 1:59 PM
Jim says:

Thanks for all the links Sue, and, sorry andrew, not all blacks live in the "ghetto," and that sort of mentality is why most blacks of any sexual orientation can't relate to this fight, since that condescending tone is a total turnoff to those who want to fight the fight and show that we aren't going to stoop to the race baiting that so many have done since the election.

Nov 25, 2008 8:09 AM

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