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Calif. high court weighs same-sex marriage ban
Local assemblymember says voters misled
Published Thursday, 12-Mar-2009 in issue 1107
The mood was somber among gay-rights supporters after a bruising, three-hour hearing before the justices of California’s highest court, who expressed considerable skepticism at the idea of overturning the state’s voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage.
Assemblymember Lori Saldana, who represents the 76th Assembly District in San Diego, was in the courtroom during the hearing. She said the reaction on Tyler’s face when Starr made his arguments clearly expressed her feelings of angst.
“His arguments showed how coldhearted Ken Starr really is and Tyler’s look on her face made me realize that we’re not just having legal discussions here, but we’re talking about people’s heartfelt emotions and lives,” Saldana said, noting voters were misled.
“If the goal to uphold these marriages was a political strategy to get the Proposition passed, then voters likely would have voted differently.
“The threshold of a revision versus an amendment is a very difficult one to cross, and we need to revise the way we allow initiatives to change our constitution,” she said, noting she is currently working with other lawmakers to do just that.
“Initiatives such as this cost Californians so much,” Saldana said. “They take a lot of time, cost taxpayers money, budget to be delayed and creating a very difficult situation.”
The Supreme Court has 90 days to issue a ruling.
Thursday’s arguments pitted the right of the people to change their constitution against the right to wed. The California Supreme Court’s seven justices indicated a wariness to override the will of voters, who approved Proposition 8 in November.
Many couples married in the state during the 4 1/2 months after the same court had ruled 4-3 to legalize same-sex marriage said they were disheartened by the tone of the hearing and not very hopeful the justices would rule in their favor.
“We don’t go vote on anyone else’s rights,” one couple said. “It’s so demeaning.”
Attorneys for same-sex couples took a more measured stance.
“I think they are struggling with the issues,” said Jennifer Pizer, of the gay-rights group Lambda Legal. “It’s hard to read the tea leaves.”
Gay rights advocates – including same-sex couples, local governments and civil rights groups – argued Proposition 8 is such a sweeping change to the constitution’s equal protection clause that it was a constitutional revision, not just an amendment. A revision requires legislative approval before it lands on the ballot.
But Associate Justices Joyce Kennard, Marvin Baxter and Ming Chin noted that voters successfully overturned a 1972 Supreme Court ruling that struck down the death penalty as cruel and unusual punishment. When the measure was challenged, the court upheld it as a properly enacted amendment.
“It would appear to me that life is, at least in my view, a fundamental right,” Kennard said. “The court said that particular initiative restoring the death penalty in California was not a revision.”
To same-sex marriage supporters listening to the arguments, Justice Kennard’s outspoken wariness proved particularly unsettling. Just 10 months ago, she was part of the court majority that held that prohibiting same-sex marriages violated the civil rights of gays.
Yet Kennard made it clear March 5 that her position in last year’s same-sex marriage ruling would have no bearing on how she rules this time around. She repeatedly pointed to the public’s “very, very broad, well-wrought” authority to amend the state’s governing framework at the ballot box.
“It appears to me that what some of these briefs have been trying to get across is that those of us who were in the majority in the marriage cases last year would of course have to agree that Proposition 8 is invalid,” she said. “I don’t see it that way.”
Chief Justice Ronald George, who also ruled last year to strike down a pair of laws that limited marriage to a man and a woman, echoed Kennard’s qualms about denying voters their voice.
George noted that the state constitution has been amended at least 500 times compared with the 27 times the U.S. Constitution has been altered, and said it was up to the Legislature or voters – not the court – to make the process more difficult.
“It seems what you are saying is, it is just too easy to amend the California Constitution,” George told Raymond Marshall, an attorney representing the NAACP and other civil rights groups trying to overturn the ban. “Maybe the solution has to be a political one.”
Supporters of the same-sex marriage ban, represented by former Whitewater prosecutor Kenneth Starr, said it would be a reversal of the Supreme Court’s own precedents for the court to overturn the results of a fair election.
“We are asking you simply to stay the jurisprudencial course, not to stray on a new course,” Starr said.
Associate Justice Kathryn Werdegar, however, felt compelled to point out that none of the previous Supreme Court cases dealt with the amendment-versus-revision question in the context of minority rights.
Minutes into Thursday’s proceedings, the justices peppered a lawyer representing unwed same-sex couples with tough questions on why Proposition 8 represents a denial of fundamental rights when same-sex couples still have the legal benefits of marriage through domestic partnerships.
“Is it your argument in this proceeding that the passage of Proposition 8 also took away, in addition to the label of marriage, the core of substantive rights of marriage this court outlined in its decision last year?” Kennard asked.
“One of the core constitutional rights is to be treated with equality, dignity and respect,” replied Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights.
In an unusual move, California Attorney General Jerry Brown sided with same-sex marriage advocates and refused to defend Proposition 8, which narrowly passed with 52 percent of the vote.
Arguing on Brown’s behalf, Senior Assistant Attorney General Christopher Krueger told the justices that prohibiting gays and lesbians to marry infringes on “inalienable” rights to liberty and privacy.
The court also heard arguments on how Proposition 8, if upheld, affects the 18,000 same-sex marriages performed before it passed. Many of the justices did appear reluctant to invalidate the existing marriages.
“Is that really fair to the people who depended on what this court said, upended their lives ... to throw that out?” asked Justice Chin.
Starr, the dean of Pepperdine University law school, replied that the married couples had to have known “there was a swirl of uncertainty” surrounding their unions.
George said if there was indeed uncertainty, the benefit of the doubt should go to the newlyweds.
Outside the courthouse, thousands of people chanted slogans and waved placards, with many watching the proceedings on a giant television screen erected across the street in front of San Francisco City Hall. Demonstrators were evenly split over the same-sex marriage issue and took turns drowning out each others’ chants after the hearing.
Robin Tyler, who along with her wife, Diane Olson, brought one of the challenges heard by the justices, said afterward that gays and lesbians cannot afford to get discouraged, no matter how the court rules.
“If this court rules to uphold Proposition 8, there will be a million of us on the streets marching,” Tyler said. “We are not going away. We will not be invisible. We have had it.”
OldGaDawg
says:
The people voted - there votes counted - and the majority of voters approved Prop 8 - and this should stand as is with no additional amending.
Mar 12, 2009 2:23 PM
Greg
says:
Two points, the judges already had their minds made up as was evidenced by the tone they took in the questioning and they may as well have made the announcement that they would let Prop 8 (hate) stand. And, only in this so called democracy can a group's rights be voted down by another group and with the glee of the religious wrong cackling the whole time. And, next on the ballot should be a Prop to end their tax status.
Mar 12, 2009 3:46 PM
JJ
says:
OldGaDawg, it will stand until the next election, then be voted the other
way. The state is 50-50. With the grassroots effort to turn opinions and
expose the hate for what it is, the people will vote for what is right and
just this time.
Mar 12, 2009 6:24 PM
Chris
says:
The fact that Prop 8 passed is not a suprise to me. I was brought up
knowing that people fear what they do not understand. People then look to
their religion to hide from their fears.
Mar 12, 2009 8:31 PM
Barbara K.
says:
My feeling about this is that the amendment is based on religious doctrine
rather than civil rights, and I don't think civil marriage should be
governed by religious doctrine. Why should people that don't belong to a
particular religion or adhere to a particular belief be constrained in
their marriage rights by a majority of voters who do (apparently) hold that
belief?
Mar 12, 2009 9:53 PM
Tom
says:
Clearly, Lori is upset because Ken Starr had the logical and persuasive arguement. Sorry Lori, not everyone beleives in your Facist liberalisim. And I can't wait till they redistrict the 76th so we don't have to put up with another liberal like you. Your record shows the only issues you cared about were womens, gays and environmental issues.
Mar 13, 2009 6:16 AM
JC Fryer
says:
If proposition 8 is not overturned. The state of California should be boycotted. Do not step foot in that state, do not purchase anything from a California based company, make them financially bleed. This case is based on civil rights nothing more
Mar 13, 2009 9:56 AM
DontDateHimGirl.com
says:
This is pretty simple folks - there is no issue. If heterosexual couples
can legally marry, so should homosexuals and lesbians. They are human
beings with the same rights as the rest of us.
Mar 13, 2009 1:25 PM
Bob
says:
Where did we get those lawyers representing our side? Ken Starr clearly out classed them. We needed top lawyers before the court, not a pride parade review legal committee. And that "lawyer" from the Attorney General's office - what a total joke he was. Looks like we didn't learn the lesson from November on how to effectively present our case.
Mar 13, 2009 2:10 PM
John
says:
Everyone just wants civil rights is bs, you want the name marriage. If you
cared so much about the rights, you would have worked for Civil Unions just
like the "PROGRESSIVE" countrys in Europe did! Hello... But we luv our
emotional attack on others belief's, morals and family! We get off on it,
look at the behavior of our self made leaders!
Mar 14, 2009 11:13 AM
Jose
says:
I think the LGBT community and its supporters should sign petitions to include ridiculous things on the ballot that are condoned by the Bible (e.g. a ban on divorce, making it legal to sell our daughters into slavery, requiring women to leave town when they’re on their menstrual cycle, outlawing certain foods, etc.) and then using the same commercials and arguments in support of these ridiculous initiatives. This way we could protest for separation of church and state while simultaneously showing how easy it is to violate the rights and civil liberties of people through our current system. I pulling for a ban on divorce so that we could use the same "sanctity of marriage" argument.
Mar 19, 2009 9:43 AM
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